– Welcome to Kibbe on Liberty, this week we talk with Jason Stapleton about wealth and power, getting away from false
promises in Washington D.C., and getting it done
for your own damn self. Check it out. (rock music) So did you fly in this morning? – Actually last night. I wanted to be fresh for our interview. – That’s good, it would be a
rough flight in the morning. – Yeah, it’s about five hours, four hours and a half from L.A. But happy to be here. – Yeah, it’s good to have you. We first talked at FreedomFest, and you were in the midst
of the Jason Stapleton Show, and it’s been really successful for you. Give us a sense for how big that is. – I think we’re running 15 or
20,000 listeners a day now, and if you count all
the platforms and stuff that we’re out on and yeah. I had no idea when I started that show, I essentially just wanted an outlet to talk about something I was, I owned a company that
dealt with currency trading so I knew a lot about politics
and how central banks affect currency prices and I
kind of had my own views on the way things should work and I wanted a way to talk about that. And you couldn’t really
do that in my business because that’s not what
people were paying me for. So I started this podcast
and just said I’m gonna say what’s on my mind and we
did that starting in 2014 and we built into the election
and it just kind of blew up. And I built a studio out in
Kansas and it was, I mean, I’m still shocked that
it’s as popular as it is. All I do really is get on there
and talk about what I think is important and people
for some reason listen. – Yeah, it started off as
basically a small L libertarian perspective on stuff that was happening, arguments that people were having. But tell us about the evolution because you’re in the process of rebranding yourself yet again. – Yeah, I don’t wanna, I
took a look at the show, so after the election we
were starting to build it out and I was getting tired of
coming in and bashing on politics and politicians all the time
because it’s a, I don’t know, I’m a relatively upbeat person. I’m an optimistic person
by nature and to go in and just all this negativity, negativity, I’m putting that in my brain every day, I’m looking at news and trying
to find out what makes me angry because I know that
will rile the crowd up. And that’s what they
wanna hear and I said, I don’t wanna do this anymore. What does this really mean to me? I have really five basic
principles that are not just political philosophy to me but
are really life philosophy. Limited government,
individualism, peace, tolerance, and free markets. And I think anybody who
ascribes to that type of living and those beliefs, those
are the beliefs that create the most amount of opportunity for the most amount of people. And I realize that a lot of
my audience had absolutely no desire in applying those
principles to their lives. They just wanted to come in
and bitch about politics. And so I made a decision that
I was gonna change the show. And so we decided we were no
longer gonna talk about that. That we were gonna look at
these principles and these ideas more of, how do we begin to change, use them to change ourselves, and I guess by doing
that, change our culture? And I know if we can do those two things the politics changes on its own. – So I have, you have
five rules, I have six. You have five principles,
I have six rules. And this of course was
before Jordan Peterson came up with 12 rules but
my joke about the rules that define libertarianism is that I stole them from your mom. These are not innovative,
new, radical things. Don’t hurt people, don’t take
their stuff, work for it. These are things that your mom told you if she was doing her job and
she by the way stole them from her mom and these
principles go back all the way to when humans were trying to figure out how to live in peaceful coexistence. And this of course, and I have to say this because this is how
people drink on this show, this is a Hayekian principle
of spontaneous evolution. – [Jason] Give them a minute. – We usually drink on this show but it may be a little early for that. To me, getting out of
what you’re describing, I would call it like
the libertarian ghetto. Like where there’s a small group of people that argue about the
non-aggression principle and whether or not six-year-olds
with automatic weapons on heroin should be allowed to drive. – Right. – These are the questions. – Those are the big questions
of the day, by the way people. Big questions. – And if anyone has the answer
to that, I’d love to know. Because I’m skeptical that they
should be allowed to drive. But let’s get out of that
and let’s apply the things that I think are human values. They’re definitely American values, I think they’re human values and I think that these are values that
would appeal to young people who are trying to figure out
where they belong in the world. But if it’s just politics,
everybody goes back to their tribes and starts
fighting with each other. – Right, and that is true. I wanted to make one mention. Every once in awhile you read something or you hear something and you’re like, why didn’t I think of that? That phrase “don’t hurt people
and don’t take their stuff” that was the title of one of your books that I read years ago, I
just remember thinking, man, that’s incredible. You can wrap up my life, really, my way of
thinking in that sentence. It’s funny because when I
use that living in L.A., a lot of left-wing people out there, and when they start talking
about what they believe, that’s the line I use. You know, fundamentally, this is what, don’t hurt people, don’t take their stuff. And it’s amazing 100 out of 100 people go, I totally agree with that.
– Yeah. – And now we have a bridge. With which, any other
discussion stems from that, I can always go back to don’t hurt people, don’t take their stuff. But I agree with you that
the focus needs to be on how do we apply these in life. Not how do we debate. There’s always room for a
philosophical discussion if you wanna have one. I just get tired of having those. Because I don’t know how you
get from where we are now to having privately owned roads. To me it’s far more important
that you create more wealth and influence in your own life
because that’s gonna create far more freedom than
privatizing all the roads. I happen to believe that the
amount of money that you have is directly tied to how
much freedom you have. Because you can’t move, you can’t go. Even if you had the
ability, even if it’s there, nobody’s restricting you. If you don’t have the
money, you can’t do it. And so having that is critical. It’s a critical component
that everybody overlooks. And I’m not entirely sure why. I think there’s a sense
in, for a lot of people that talking about money is a bad thing. Or that wanting more money is evil. You know we’re rebranding the show, I believe it’s actually
next week after I get back, Wealth, Power & Influence
with Jason Stapleton. And the reason I’m changing
it is those terms typically have a negative connotation with them. But there’s something
that I believe in my bones that you need to have. I think that you should
aspire to have more power, and more wealth, and more influence because that’s going
to make you more free. And those are not negative things. Influence has no moral compass. Power has no moral compass. You have a moral compass. And so to do that and to do
it ethically and responsively, how do we do that? And so that’s what we’re really
talking about on the show. Using those principles, these libertarian or
objectivist philosophies that I believe in to underpin that idea. – I want to juxtapose that
and I want to dig deep on that because I think that’s where
the gold is with reaching the audience that both
you and I aspire to reach. I call them the liberty
curious generation. And they’re turned off by politics, they’re turned off by tribalism, they’re turned off by
the idea that somebody, they don’t know who, decided
that they either had to choose team red or team blue. But the the it girl in
politics today of course is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And I find her interesting. We don’t spend a lot of time on this show just picking on her even
though she says some things that I that I fundamentally disagree with. My feed has been filled with this article, I’m sure most people watching
this have probably seen this from one of their friends and it’s called Thoughts From a Hipster Coffee Shop. And this student is considering an AOC quote that I’ll read. “An entire generation,” this
is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “An entire generation which is now “becoming one of the largest
electorates in America “came of age and never
saw American prosperity. “I have never seen that
or experienced that “really in my adult life.” So a member of Congress
who, how old is she? She’s 26? – I don’t know, maybe,
something like that. She’s in her mid-20s. – And she clearly represents, you know, and I say this in the context of young people have never
grown up in a in a more wealthy opportunity based society in
the history of the universe. So what she’s saying is sort of factually fundamentally incorrect but
she’s speaking to the anxiety to an entire generation that, you know, they saw Wall Street bailouts and they did pay an
exorbitant amount of money for a college degree that’s no damn good and they’re, you know, maybe
they’re pulling espressos in a coffee bar. So I get the anxiety but
what do we say to people that are buying into that? – Well, a couple of things on that. First thing is it doesn’t
matter whether it’s, well let me say this first. You, most of your audience and mine probably looks at her and laughs, and makes jokes and tries
to say oh, what an idiot and then they move on
with the conversation. It’s very, very important
that you don’t do that. She has a massive amount of influence over a segment of the
population that feels exactly the way she does
and who nods their head in agreement when they read that. Doesn’t matter whether it’s
factually untrue or not. There’s factually untrue
stuff all the time even in our circles that people believe. it’s more important to understand that there are a group of people out there who actually believe that. I happen to believe it’s
because for most people history started the day they were born and so they haven’t, they
don’t know what it was like in the Carter administration. And to see stagflation,
and interest rates at 10%, inflation rates at 10%. They don’t have any idea. When I got out of the Marines, I went and my very first
place was a one room basement apartment underneath somebody’s
garage and I paid $180 a month for it and it was
not one bedroom, one room. And so I remember they
refinanced their house. Out of a 10% mortgage rate down to six and they’d been paying
10% on that interest rate since the ’80s, the early ’80s. And so there are a whole bunch of people in this world who don’t
know what that means and whose perception
of wealth is something that I mean is fairly distorted. I think what she’s really saying there is there are a lot of you who
had greater expectations for your life.
– Yeah. – And those haven’t been achieved yet. And we live in a society where we want instant gratification now. And we got 25, 26-year-olds
who are out of school for a few years. I mean, I have made, I don’t want to brag, I have made millions and
millions and millions of dollars. Millions. And at the age of 26 I
was parked in my truck outside a Lowe’s bawling my eyes out because I was flat broke living
in somebody else’s basement with no idea what I was
gonna do with my life, no idea where I was. I just knew I wanted something better, wondering if it was wrong
to leave the Marine Corps. I was just, I was in such a dark place and now at 40, I mean, it’s just amazing how far you’ve come. So, historical perspective,
knowing a little bit is helpful but understanding that hey, it doesn’t happen right away. But back to what she
was saying specifically, you have to understand that
there are a group of people who were lied to. And I think when approach
it that’s what I tell them. I say, listen, you were lied to. You weren’t lied to in the
sense that we don’t live in the greatest nation or that
we don’t live in the greatest country on earth, or one of the
greatest countries on earth. It’s that you were told
that this was gonna be easy. And it ain’t easy. Nothing’s easy. You were told that your life
was gonna be planned out and if you just followed all these steps that you would have the American Dream and it doesn’t work like that. So it’s okay, you’re okay. Everything’s gonna be fine. Just keep moving, keep pushing. Have some direction. And so when we talk about these things on my show that’s a lot
of what I talk about is you were lied to but
there’s more opportunity. It is easier now to become wealthy than at any point in human history. – There’s this great and I
think about this in a context of how politics corrupts
our our responsibilities to go out there and get what we want and there was this great
interview with Bob Dylan and Jann Wenner, I think
is how you say his name, but he’s the founder of
Rolling Stone magazine. Old hippie, lefty guy, and they were, he was worried about the
George W Bush administration. They’re talking I think
primarily about war and by the way you can’t
find this interview unless you have a paper
copy because Bob Dylan didn’t give him the answer he wanted. Because he ultimately said you know, politics is not
going to solve this problem. You have to do it for your own damn self. And that stuck in my mind ever since then because that is the essence
of the human condition. Any politician, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Elizabeth Warren, Donald Trump, they all promise that they’re
going to make your life better but that’s bullshit. You’re gonna make your life better. – [Jason] That’s right. – And maybe your wife, and
your family, and your friends, they’re going to help lift you up but if you don’t take the first step, don’t expect anyone else to do it for you. – There’s a saying, I don’t
know who originally said it but the saying goes: everyone’s walking around
with their umbilical cord hanging out looking for
someplace to plug it in. And I find that to be shockingly
true from almost everybody. None of us really want responsibility. We want to lay that onto somebody else and we want to believe, we want to have faith that
if I turn things over to you that everything’s gonna be all right. And the vast majority of people in this country are looking
for someone like that. If you look at, I went
back and just pointed out, you know, when George Bush was elected and they said it was the
end, he stole the election, this was the end of
democracy and everything. We’re still here. And then when Obama got into office, all your freedoms were
gonna go away and you know, now we’re gonna be living
in a socialist state and we’re okay. And now you’ve got Trump in office, now the left wingers are
screaming that this is gonna be the end and the fact is
none of those guys matter. They just don’t. I was I was eating, for a while I was a hired gun in, I did security work in
Iraq and Afghanistan. And one day I was coming down, there was a building that we
all lived in on the streets in Erbil which is in northern Iraq. And I come down, I lived in
the house that had the kitchen in it and in the kitchen
they had a guy who would come and he would basically cook you pretty much whatever you wanted. Eggs, bacon, that kind of stuff
and I didn’t like breakfast but I usually got a cup of
coffee and I went into the big kitchen area where all of us would sit and there was a guy sitting
across the table from me that worked on a different team. So we had teams of about 20 people and he was on a different team so I didn’t know him very well. But I was talking with another
guy that I did work with and we were watching
Fox News was on the TV and I don’t remember what they were talking about but I remember he and I,
the guy I was friends with were having a conversation
about just how terrible it was and I looked over at this guy and I said, I said, he’d been really quiet, I says, hey what do you think? And he said, what, that? I said yeah. He said, oh, I don’t care. And I said, what do you
mean you don’t care? Like you don’t care about our nation? You don’t care about, I was confused. My right wing brain just couldn’t function in in that type of thinking. And I will never forget it. He literally, he’s eating cereal, he’s shoveling it into his mouth just about as fast as he
can and he drops the spoon. It lands in the milk, the
milk splashes out of the bowl and he looks at me and he goes, do you really want to know? And I said yeah, I really want to know. And I don’t know, people
are weird who do that job so you’re half wondering whether the guy’s gonna come across the table at you because he’s angry that you’re pushing him during his breakfast time. But you’re not gonna back down. So yeah, I want to know. He goes, I don’t care about
what any of those guys do because I’m a winner. And he said you know what winners do? I said no, what a winners do? He said they win. He said it doesn’t matter what they do. I will find a way to
win because I’m a winner and that’s what I do. That’s all he said. He picks the spoon back
up, continues to eat, I said nothing.
– Yeah. – It was that, that is
the mindset that I have and that I want everybody to have. Is that none of these guys
are gonna fix your problems and none of them can keep you from doing what you need to do. The poorer you are the
more difficult it is for you to get away from people like that. You can look at Venezuela, okay. The only people left there are the people who didn’t
have the money to leave. Everybody else is gone. Take a look at what
we’ve done in Damascus. The only people still in Damascus are people who don’t have any money. They literally didn’t
have the means to leave. Nobody can keep you down if
you have the means to resist. And that doesn’t mean
just the political means. It means the financial means as well. – Yeah, and it’s a lot of
work and it’s uncomfortable in taking that responsibility. I sort of consider my life
philosophy sort of half Ayn Rand and half Jerry Garcia. (Jason laughs) Because Jerry was of course a Hayekian. He didn’t know that but he didn’t believe in telling anyone else what to do. And Rand gets a bad rap because
she focuses on individualism and she calls it selfishness
but what she’s really talking about is that personal
responsibility when you look in the mirror and you’re
like, something’s not right. Something’s not right with my life, something’s not right with
society, whatever it is. Whatever the problem is, objectivism or at least
Rand’s moral philosophy, whatever you want to call that. Was all about the
responsibility of individualism. Of freedom, the freedom
to actually fix a problem. It’s not actually the freedom to shrug even though she named a book after that. All the characters in Atlas
Shrugged are trying to fix a problem that’s actually
bigger than themselves. I feel like it’s a
fundamentally libertarian thing. But anybody promises you
that you’re not gonna have to work your ass off,
again, they’re lying to you. – Well, and I think to talk
about Ayn Rand for a minute. When I first read Atlas
Shrugged I thought it was, I thought the writing was okay. I thought the messaging was amazing. But when I started to study
objectivism a little bit it turned me off this idea
that put personal pursuit above anything else. There’s no real discussion
of charity and helping others and I’m not one who really
believes in sacrifices. I believe in choices. I think sacrificing, using
that term makes you a victim. It allows you to put
yourself in a victim state. But I do believe in charity. But the more I started
to study what I believe the more I really find I
tell people I’m libertarian, I’m really an objectivist. And I think there is a lot of
confusion in people’s minds between selfishness and self-interest. They’re not the same thing. They’re two very different things. Selfishness says I’m
going to do what I want even though I know it hurts you. Even though I know it’s gonna damage you. Self-interest said I’m gonna
pursue what I want for my life and allow you to pursue
what you want for your life. And where it makes sense we can cooperate and where it doesn’t we can compete. But there is, you take
charity for example. People are charitable
not for any other reason than self-interest. There’s no other reason for it. It makes you feel good. There are people who do it
publicly so that everybody can see how much money they give away and there are people who do it privately. But nobody gives money away and then walks away going,
oh, I feel terrible. Let me do that again. Oh, I don’t wanna write
this check but ugh, I have to be charitable. No, nobody does that. They do it because it
brings joy and satisfaction to their own lives. So even when you’re doing good for others you’re doing it for
self-interested reasons. I think once you make that distinction, people feel more comfortable with saying yeah, I’m gonna pursue
what I want and that makes Ayn Rand’s message resonate with me in a way that it didn’t before. – A couple things about charity is I think localism and charity go together. The idea that you would want
to help somebody or some nation or some community or some problem that you have no context for. You don’t know they
exist is very different from wanting your community to prosper. Your country, something that
you can actually connect with. Part of your context. The other thing that’s sort
of fascinating going back to my progressive friends. They think there’s such
a thing as forcing people to be more charitable. Forcing people to be more generous. Forcing people to care about other people at the point of a gun. And I’ve never got it. It’s a choice that you make. And it can’t be a forced choice. – To me it’s a form of
selfishness is what it is. For you to suggest that
I think this is important and therefore you need to
give money to the thing I think is important is selfish. If you want to, take a
look at Bernie Sanders. I don’t, he’ll be in the
news, he’s gonna be around. I would respect Bernie a lot more if he lived his values. If was somebody who legitimately
said there are poor people out there, we need to help
them, and he was giving as much of his own money away as he
possibly could in order to try and help these different
charities but he doesn’t do that. He gives very little money
away and when he does he gives it to political
campaigns, not to the poor. And so– – And he’s now a wealthy guy. – He’s now a very wealthy man. Yeah, he wrote a book and he
capitalized off of his campaign and more power to him. I have no issue with that at all. I just don’t want you
to stand up and claim that you’re kind and generous,
and caring and charitable but only with somebody else’s money. That to me is reprehensible. That is the, that’s the worst. (chuckles) Just to make it really simple. And so for me that’s
just pure selfishness. And when people talk to me
about that, that’s what I say. I don’t say “you’re being selfish,” I say well, I don’t want to be selfish. And then that sparks
this, what do you mean? Well, I can’t force you to give to something I think is important. If I really believe it,
I have a responsibility if not the obligation to try
and convince you to give. But I have no right or authority
to demand that you do it. And so I think that all of these ideas– one of the great things
about living in Los Angeles is I get to try all this
stuff out on people. So I spend a lot of time
when people find out that I have some different
political philosophies, they wanna talk about them. And I love being able
to try this stuff out and what I find is we are
in far more in agreement on what we want as people
than any of us want to admit. Nobody wants pollution in the sky. My sister works in China and
goes there several times a year and she comes back sick every time because of the air pollution. Nobody wants people
starving in the streets. We all want people to be able
to get the medical attention they need when they need it. The question and the problem
that occurs in the delineation and ideas come form how
we solve those problems. And if you can get someone to
the point of understanding, listen, you and I want the same thing. Here’s why I think this way
will work and that one won’t. That’s how we change culture. That’s how you really change. If you wanna talk about politics, that’s how you really change politics. You change it around the water cooler. Talk about charity being local. I think culture changes at
the local level when people are willing to share ideas
and understand how to do it. We are far too concerned
as libertarian people with winning arguments
instead of winning converts. – Let’s talk about the
nuts and bolts of that because everything about charity, everything about making
the world a better place gets back to wealth creation and money. You can’t help people if you don’t have anything to help them with. – Correct, right. You can–
– I know that’s radical. – Here’s what I say. I say there are people with money and there are people with time. Typically you’re one or the other. And so if you are someone
who doesn’t have a lot money you can always donate your time. I used to have this charity conversation with some of the training
that I teach people and one guy said I don’t really know, I don’t have a lot of money
and I don’t know how I’m gonna, I’m barely making ends meet as
I’m trying to grow my company and I don’t know what to do. I said look for an opportunity
to just do somebody right. And it turns out that he
works in heating and cooling and some woman from his
church, their unit broke down, and he was able to go
out and for a few bucks, all the labor for free,
get the thing back on in the winter time and
she had hot water again. And he sent me an email and
he said, man, I don’t know why I never thought of it
that way but I did it. Now if you truly want to
make change on a big scale you’re gonna have to have money. If you look at most of
charities they spend the bulk of their time trying to
find people with money and get them to give it to them. And when you’re a person of
means that’s really what you do. I’ve always said I’m really
too busy to show up on a Saturday for a work project. But I can give you the money
to buy all the equipment. The rakes, and the paint,
and all of that stuff so you can get the job done. And the world needs both kind of people. And so for me it’s always
been about how do I make as much as I possibly can? How do I make a ridiculous
amount of money? How do I make so much money
that I don’t even know where all of it is. And the point of that is not
so that I can drive a Ferrari or that I can live in a
mansion down by the beach. It’s so that I don’t ever
have to be beholden to anyone and I get to choose what
I use that money for. Because the more you give away
to government or anybody else the less you have control of. And people understand, your
political leaders understand that the less money you have,
the less control you have. And so they seek to amass
as much as they can. The Right, the Left, everybody there. And your job should be to
amass as much as you can. Money is a thing like a car or a house. You should want to acquire it. You should want to have
as much of it as you can because that provides
you the most control. – And of course the way that
you phrased that would be shocking to young democratic
socialists who think that it’s somehow inappropriate
to want to have money. But you’re not talking about money at all. You’re talking about autonomy. You’re talking about
control over your own life. You’re talking about things
that are sort of built into this generation. They live in a very democratized world where they have lots of autonomy. – I think there’s some confusion about, I think most of the young
socialists out there are working from a very old framework of, the way we acquire wealth is
through conquest and theft. Because up until the birth of this nation that was really how you got rich. You got rich by taking your army out and destroying somebody else
and pilfering their land and enslaving their people. And that was how you
grew in wealth and power. – [Matt] Game of Thrones style. – Very much so, yeah. That’s not our world. For the first time in human
history we have the ability to make a fortune helping other people. There are always nefarious
ways to get rich. There are always underhanded ways. You wanna talk about the
bankers and the politicians and the corrupt companies that are going and getting special favors
and special legislation that allows them to operate and to have a competitive advantage. I’m not talking about any of that. I’m talking about you being able to go out and solve a problem worthy of being solved and then someone paying you
an outrageous amount of money because they derived far more
value from what you gave them than what they gave you. So when we talk about amassing wealth, I’m not talking about
screwing people over. I’m talking about finding
a way to provide value to the world that people are
willing to compensate you for. – I think this is one of the reasons why the progressive Left, I
didn’t really see this coming but it makes perfect sense to me now. The way that they attack the gig economy. The way that they go after Uber drivers and the way they go after
Airbnb and Thumbtack. Whatever those decentralized
structures by which a young person can create
wealth, create their own destiny. Because they choose the
jobs they wanna work for. They don’t have a boss in the sense that you and I did when we were young. They build it a la carte
in a way that eliminates the need for unionism, eliminates the need for government support
programs that sort of transfer that power to the
middlemen, the government. – Take AOC’s comment
that you read earlier. It’s clear she’s angry that
she doesn’t have more money. Yet she lives in a nation
where that’s as easy to come by now as it’s ever been. I remember when I set up my first website. I was in Afghanistan and I
was on what was essentially a dial up connection. And at that point there were
no, maybe some of your audience they’re not into this but
there are drag and drop web builders now that you can
literally have a website up in three hours and it would look decent. It wouldn’t look terrible. I can remember sitting in
Afghanistan and trying to– I had three browser windows open and I was looking at how do I, what’s the code to change
the color of the background in this website and then
I would find the code in the back office of the
website and the 80 pages of code and I would make a change
and then I would hit refresh and I would wait 30 seconds and then I would realize that didn’t work. So then I would go back and
I would change it back again, wait another 30 seconds. It took me, it was so
painful, and so difficult. When I first started
streaming video online, most people couldn’t watch it. We were still at a stage
where especially if you were overseas anywhere, live
streaming was not a thing and certainly not on your phone. Now, I mean, good grief, you can have a website up in an hour. You can literally open your
phone up and start recording and messaging and building a
brand and a reputation online. That’s all new and it’s all free. It costs you nothing. The phone’s already in your pocket. YouTube’s free. There’s no excuse. If you are poor in America today it’s because you don’t want it. It’s because you don’t have
the drive or the ambition, or the willingness to risk. That’s the only reason. That’s it. So if you’re gonna be poor
and you wanna stay poor, accept it and don’t be angry. Or go out and get it
because it’s easier now than it’s ever been. – The President’s flying over as we speak. – Yeah, there we go. Is that really? That’s the President? – It probably is, actually. – Because you, I mean,
can I say where we’re at? – Yeah, yeah. – Okay, you’re really
close to the Capitol. – Yeah, yeah.
– It’s like a stone’s throw. – We’re three blocks from the Capitol. The Death Star, as I like to call it. We probably should be in a bunker in Idaho if we really were living our values. – Well, I gotta tell you, you
being here in Washington, D.C. every time I come here I went and walked around the mall last night. I just think the mall’s beautiful. And it’s not too humid
and nasty out here yet so it was a nice walk. And I have some really good
memories from being here because the last time I
was here we were filming the TV show, The Tesla Files and I had a really great time on that. But there is just, this is really the seed
of corruption in America. It all kind of centers here. And I don’t know, that
humidity just makes you feel a little sticky and a little dirty. – You walk down any street in this city and you see the largess of big government. There’s all of these special interests and they’re not ideological
at all even though some special interests
affiliated with the Democrats and some with Republicans,
they’re all looking to get a seat at the table before the rest of us. And this ties directly with
what we’re talking about because if you think that
there’s a piece of legislation that’s going to make your life better, you need to spend a day walking
around D.C. looking at all of these alphabet associations
and so called charities that their entire job is to either screw their consumers or
screw their competitors, or game the system in a way
that doesn’t make it fair for everybody else. And I think, I aspire and I’ve had one
of my progressive friends. I would love to get AOC on this show. I don’t think she would ever do it. But the crux of the problem that they have is whenever you centralize
that much power, you attract all of these bad
actors that want a piece of it. And maybe they weren’t bad
actors when they started but if that’s the game of thrones, ultimately you want to sit down
with the committee chairman and you wanna slip that
thing the legislation. So whatever your grandiose pretense that you’re gonna come
up with a legislation that’s gonna keep people from being poor. – I think there’s a
misconception by a lot of people that their political leaders
are spending their days dreaming up, how am I
gonna help my constituents? I’ve got this burning desire
to just make the people in Connecticut and make
their lives better. So what kind of libertarian
legislation can we craft? What would really make a difference? And the fact is all that
legislation’s being crafted by somebody else. It is being shown and delivered
to them so that they can then put in on the floor for
a vote and if there’s enough money flowing through,
nobody even reads it. And so the more complex
and the bigger it is, the more likely it is that
nobody’s gonna read it. Nobody is looking out for you. Everybody, this goes back to
this principle of self-interest is that nobody is looking out for you. Everybody’s looking out for number one. If they’re gonna do for you it
will be because emotionally, financially, physically it benefits them. And so stop looking to those people to make your life better. They can’t. They can’t. Only you can do that. – Self-interest is a human condition. And we can figure out the
way that self-interest makes for a better society. Or we can try to stifle it. All you end up doing is creating someone like Nicolas Maduro. – Yes, and the great thing
about the way we view the world you and I, is that we don’t
suggest that you can’t have a society where from each
according to his need, each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. I just really botched that,
but you get what I’m saying. Nothing wrong with it. – Probably good that you can’t spout Marx. – Yeah, I can’t remember.
– Spontaneously. – But no, there’s nothing
saying you can’t do that as long as it’s voluntary. I would have no issue
with people who really, because there is a
segment of the population that really doesn’t care about the money. They do their job, they do
work because they love it and they wanna live in
a society where everyone is kind to each other and where everything is
shared and community owned. There’s a group of people like that. No reason why that can’t exist
as long as people are free to come and go as they please. So what I find is that
doesn’t produce innovation. That doesn’t produce, I don’t know, it doesn’t produce growth. It produces stagnation. The Xanadu or the Shangri-La that they think that they’re
creating, they’re truly not. What they’re doing what they
find is that they’re a host of problems that tie
directly to human nature that can’t be fixed. – There’s actually, so I’m
sort of sympathetic with people that there’s a guy, I forget
his name, but there’s a guy in the Libertarian Party who calls himself a libertarian socialist. And he ran for chairman and he
was mostly just sort of booed because a lot of
libertarians would view that as a fundamental contradiction. But of course the Marxist literature gets to that sort of romantic idea that you can have a stateless society and part of it is
fundamentally impossible. You can’t have a stateless
society without property rights, without a means of exchange. All the things that
Marx sort of dreamed of. But they at least, if you agree
that force is not an option. I’m all for you letting– go out and try it. There’s actually communes that sort of experiment on
this where the entire community doesn’t act unless they agree. Which basically means that the government doesn’t do anything.
– Right. – Almost nobody ever agrees like– – On everything, yeah. – The only reason I agree with my wife is because she tells me what
to think and I say yeah, that’s exactly what I think. (laughs) – I’ve always said I believe
in benevolent dictatorships as long as I’m the dictator. And so I think that there
are pieces, there are parts of our society that work
really well under dictatorship. For example, corporate ownership. I would not run my company
based on popular vote. We’re gonna do what I wanna do. I might look for input but I decide. That’s a dictatorship and that works really well for that piece. But I agree with you. I think that as long as it’s
voluntary, there’s no reason. I’ve always said I
don’t know if capitalism is the best system. I don’t know. I just know it’s the best
one we’ve ever come up with. And it doesn’t mean that
modifying it wouldn’t improve it. And I’m all for trying it out. So yeah, if you wanna try
a little different style or you wanna try some completely new form, I think you should have the liberty and the freedom to do that. The problem is in America
you can’t step out. You can’t say hey, we wanna
try something different and see how this works. It’s almost impossible and
that has really restricted I think our ability to create
a freer and open society. But that’s why we talk about this stuff. Is to present some ideas and
talk about how you can control yourself and your own
destiny rather than looking to somebody else to provide for you. – And by the way, either
way, if you wanna create the perfect non-violent socialist vision that you think you understand, organizing people is a
hell of a lot of work. – You would know. – Leadership is a hell of a lot of work. (chuckles) And it gets back to the first
principle we talked about. I wanna drill that home to everybody. No matter your ideology. Whatever you’re thinking about. If you’re a libertarian and
you’re not out there working for it you’re not getting it done. Let’s get back to that principle of work. When you’re telling, my
sense is that your audience is a lot of young people
trying to figure out where they’re gonna go with their lives. How do they start a business. How do they get that sort of
autonomy and define themselves. What do you tell them? – I don’t know, I can’t tell
you what to do with your life. There’s people who say well,
I don’t know what I wanna do. I say well, you gotta figure that out. Once you know what you
want, I can help you get it. But I can’t tell you what
to be passionate about. And so what I did, I
can tell you what I did. What I did is I sat
down one day and I said, if I could do anything in
the world, no restrictions, but I had to do it every
day for the rest of my life, what would I wanna do? It would have to be
something that I could do at the age of 30, and it
could also be something at the age of 80 that I could
do and that I would enjoy and that I would wanna get out of bed for. And then where would I wanna do that at? Again, no restrictions. Just completely wide open. If I could build the life
from scratch that I wanted, no matter how grandiose, what would it be? And I started writing some stuff down. I wrote down my perfect day. I said this is when I would get up. And this is what I would
do very first thing. And then this is when I would go to work. And this is how long I would work for. And this is the kind of stuff that I think I would wanna do during my day. And I listed it all out. And at the time I decided
that the first time I did it I said I think I would like to be in the financial services business. I said I don’t know what. Broker, I don’t have any idea. But I know that that interests me. And so starting at about the age of 30, that’s what I kind of
started doing was I invested a lot of time and effort
and energy into that. And then about 10 years
later I became bored with it. And I said well, what am I gonna do now? I said well, let’s do this again. I went back through it again. I said I built a lot of successful brands, I enjoy helping people
more than anything else. Getting an email from somebody who says the advice you gave me
helped change my life. And now I’m in a different
place than I was. I’m much happier now. I’m much more successful, whatever it is is more rewarding to me
than all of the money. So I wanted to do something like that. And I believe so much in this
idea of creating influence, amassing wealth so that you can be freer, that I decided that I
wanted to start a business, a consulting business that
basically talked about that. So I don’t know how to
tell people what they want because everybody wants
something different. But I can tell you that
it’s not gonna come easy. That you’re gonna have to work for it. But what’s really work? I mean, really. What do we do? Look at this, this is work. – Yeah. – We’re gonna put this
out and a bunch of people are gonna come listen to my show, my advertising rates are gonna go up, and I’m gonna make even more money. I literally sit in an
air conditioned studio and talk into a microphone or sit behind a video
camera talking to people. I talk and I type. That’s literally my entire job. I’m not out there grinding in the fields, I’m not roofing a house
in Georgia in July. I’m not doing any of that stuff. The idea of work today is so different than what it was a generation or two ago that I think you really
need to stop complaining. Yeah, you might have to work. I always said I got rich
between 10:00 and 2:00. I work my regular job and starting at 10:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. that’s when I worked on
what I wanted to work on. That’s how I built my
brand and my business. If you’re not willing to do that after you’ve been laying
around in a chair all day, if you can’t spend three
or four hours working on your vision and sleeping
a few less hours a night for a little while, then be satisfied. Be satisfied never achieving. Be satisfied with a level of
mediocrity somewhere between total failure and your true potential because that’s where you’re
gonna live along with 90% of the rest of the population. Just accept it. Because you’re not willing
to do what’s necessary. Getting rich, having fame or success, or whatever it is you want
is a byproduct of two things. Number one, knowing the cost. What is it gonna cost
for me to achieve this. And number two, pay it. That’s it. It’s the same, life is that way. Figure what it costs to get what you want and then pay the price. If you’re not willing to
then don’t complain and cry. Because we don’t live in a world anymore where you’re limited by
your physical restrictions. We don’t have a shortage of
time unless it’s self-imposed. This is, all of that is nonsense. Like I said, it’s easier
now than it’s ever been. – And by the way, so paying
the price gets you to a point where you can actually wake
up because you love your job. – Yeah. – I work 24 hours a day in my mind. Even when I’m sleeping
I’m thinking about stuff. But it’s a freaking joy to do what I do. But it wasn’t fun getting
to where I am today. There was a price to be paid. – No, I remember when
I started my company, my first company. I was up, I got up at 4:30 every morning and I drove downtown and I
worked until 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon and then I came home, I spent a couple of hours with my kids and then I would work
until 10 o’clock at night. And I did that every day
for like four or five years. And people look at me and they
say, when do you sleep, man? Your production level is
so high, when do you sleep and don’t you get burned out? And there were times when
I needed to take a break. But I love what I do. I’m not, people talk about workaholics. I do what I love. Every day, I’m passionate about it. That’s why I spend so much on it. If I have a choice, that’s what I wanna do because that’s what I love to do. And that’s why I say
man, when you find that, when you find that thing that
you need like you need air, like you can’t take it away
from me because my life, I couldn’t live without that thing. That’s where you need to go. That’s the direction you need to go in. And the amazing thing is that you can make money doing anything. If you wanna start a, if you
love underwater basket weaving, you just start it up. We can reach the whole world. I guarantee you there’s at
least 10,000 people out there who love underwater basket weaving. – There’s a niche for it, yeah. – Or who’d be into it, right. So there’s just, that’s the trick is
figuring out what you need. And if you don’t know what that is then you need to
experience some more life. You need to get out of your comfort zone and see what the world has to offer. – Give us shameless plug. How do people get more Jason Stapleton if they’re into that thing? – You can just search for
Wealth, Power & Influence on iTunes and we got the podcast there and you can go to JasonStapleton.com. There’s lots of stuff there talking about how to build wealth and
increase your own business and stuff like that. And Instagram is @thejasonstapleton. That’s where I spend most of my time. And yeah, if you wanna see
all of my ads that I run you can go to Facebook but I don’t spend a lot of time there. – [Matt] Yeah, yeah. – But thanks so much
for having me the show. I really appreciate it. – Yeah, good to see you again. Are you gonna be at FreedomFest? – I don’t know, they haven’t invited me. I’m going to PorcFest for
the first time this year. – Yeah, I think I’m gonna go to PorcFest. – Are you really? Okay, I’ll see you there. – I’ve been once before. – I’ve heard it is an
absolutely bear to get to so I’m not excited about that. But I’m going because
there’s enough people there that I like that I haven’t
seen in a long time and I wanna go see them
so we’re gonna go do that. Congratulations on the success. Everything you’re doing. We were saying before the show started, you are, I thought I was busy. You have your hands in everything. You are, I think of you as kind of
like a puppet master of sorts. It’s just like, oh yeah, Matt Kibbe, oh yeah, I’ve heard of that guy. But what you don’t realize is
Matt secretly runs the world. That’s what you don’t really know. – No, now this is where the
Jerry Garcia part comes in. (laughing) I don’t wanna tell anybody else
what to do with their lives. – You influence the world. – I try to reach people and
that’s what had us in common. Thank you so much, this was awesome. – Thank you, I appreciate it. – Thanks for watching Kibbe on Liberty. By now you know this is
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5 thoughts on “It’s Never Been Easier to Succeed | Guest: Jason Stapleton | Ep 23”

  1. Awesome. Nice to see two of my favorite YouTube personalities chatting about interesting topics. Great job.

  2. Hey guys, I like the conversation you’re having. I was raised as a democrat but I consider myself moderate. I agree that most of us want the same picture for America. What are your thoughts on Andrew Yang? Thanks for the great discussion.

  3. Watch all episodes of the Kibbe on Liberty podcast here: ​https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL36_JCmmBwZrrsXd0VIMJXHBSuWfUm57k

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